"Dwayne and Jennifer’s podcast has been so enriching for me. It’s helped me navigate through this maze of ministry leadership atrocities that has shocked the best of us. I have gained so much by listeneing. They have chosen a hard road, standing for truth in an era where even in the church truth seems to have become relative. CSA is brushed over, “nothing to see here…” and the decay that mindset has caused is rampant. The result has been deep, bleeding, unhealed wounds in many victims, lying on the side of the road as “leaders” pass by on the other side. Dwayne and Jennifer have chosen to stop, kneel down and tend to the wounded. To stand firm, taking abuse themselves for calling out sin in these ministries that were once so near and dear to their hearts. 

Their podcast episodes are carefully delivered, mindful of the pain in this so very delicate territory, and are also willing to take on this storm on behalf of the victims. 

I look forward to every episode as they shed light in this darkness. God bless them for this important work they are doing."

Marti Soenen

"Jennifer and Dwayne have been the kind of pastors I didn’t know were possible—deeply present, unwaveringly kind, and fully real. They walked with my family through celebration and suffering, not out of duty, but love. Supporting them is sowing into the kind of leadership the Church desperately needs.

And I say this with full conviction: Dwayne and Jennifer are the real thing."

Crystal Schaefer